[ Nancy Fratti wrote: ]
> There are many Disc Box discs titled "FAUST UP TO DATE"
> and I would bet that that is the complete title of your Ariston
I do have a "Faust up to date" disc for Ariston:
3589 PAS DE QUATRE of Faust up to Date, Opera, Burlesque Meyer
[ Mike Knudsen wrote: ]
> Well, I went home after my posting, checked the Encyclopedia,
> and knew someone would correct me. Glad it was my orgelfreund
> Ingmar. Yes, Ariston is a different manufacturer from Phoenix.
:))) [ I think that's Ingmar's big grin!! -- Robbie ]
> That means there were at least three major makers in Leipzig.
Of music boxes? Or what? Remember: Hupfeld also was in Leipzig!
> Physically, I've seen and played three kinds of German disc organettes:
> 3. Metal discs with projections, not annular (and I forget the
> company that used these -- back to Bowers). These are the easiest
> organettes to tune and repair.
discs <-> annular? ... Oh, I see... Well, the Symphonion-Discs are
an example of that.
> Was it Ingmar who questioned the term "organette" for the larger models?
> I've seen and played a 2-foot-square Ariston (?) with well over 30
> notes, and the sound does transcend the "-ette" suffix.
err... I didn't question it... I said that it is wrong :)
at least here in Germany we say its a "Tischdrehorgel" [table-crank-organ]
and not an "OErgelchen" ;)
> However, I get the idea the Bowers' Encyclopedia uses "-ette" for
> any organ using free reeds and sitting on a table, unless intended
> as a monkey-grinder's hurdy-gurdy.
> That reminds me: At least one participant in the Sandusky Band
> Organ Rally had a Symphonia or Celestina 20-note roll-playing
> organette, to which he'd attached a support pole underneath, and
> he was going around grinding it in the monkey manner. Not a bad
> idea! I had mine there, but just on display. If you're using Gem
> Roller Organs as doorstops, this may be more fun :-)
I do know of a French organ grinder, who also has a Celestina. He loves
this little Instrument, for it's beautiful for him to sing to it. The
most times I saw him with it singing was on stages, having it hanging
before him with a belt over his neck, and singing Edith Piaf songs or
One of these songs has always been very impressive to me: he is clothed
like some fisherman or somebody, with rubber boots and a rubber overcoat,
and he sings, but not the normal way -- He stutters!!
I never been able to understand the complete story because
(1) it is in French ;), and
(2) everyone laughs so loud. ;)
What I've been able to understand so far, is that he mimes this
stuttering fisherman who is -- or at least is trying to -- tell a story.
Perhaps he fell into cold water and that's why he stutters... I don't
[ Marc Kaufman wrote: ]
> Ingmar Krause writes:
> > I could probably date it by seeing the box myself. There are some
> > tricky indices which I'm not going to tell about. :)
> Why not? <personal remark deleted...> Collectors of historical items
> should be willing to share their knowledge with others. I know of at
> least one who refuses to do so with the full knowledge that when he dies
> the knowledge will be lost. What a shame.
Eerm... If it makes you happy, I'll write it down some day, but if I
would tell you guys all of what I know of these instruments, then it
would be rather unlikely that people would be coming to me personally
to show me those boxes, and that would be quite a pity. :)
greetings by(e) Ingmar Krause
ERlanger drehORGEL-Trio, Familie Krause, firstname.lastname@example.org
[ Well... thanks to you, Ingmar, and to Mike Knudsen, all of us have
[ learned a lot about a unique music box and its performances. I have
[ really enjoyed this thread. A heartfelt "Danke Schoen" to you for
[ sharing your knowledge! :)) -- Robbie