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20-Note and 26-Note Organ Roll Scale
By Ingmar Krause

Gruess Gott!  (Melvyn Wright's informative posting deleted.)

Robbie commented:

>[ Editor's Note:
>[
>[ Claus Kucher wrote (long, long ago) about the cavalier attitude at
>[ Deleika when the Austrians asked for Austrian songs.  Deleika wasn't
>[ interested.  It seems that they also deliberately made their music-
>[ roll format to be incompatible with the traditional formats which
>[ Carl Frei Sr. used and expanded upon.

err... sorry, no idea what you are talking about.  Could you please give
me the coordinates in your database on your homepage where I can read
that thread over?

 [ Err, sorry Ingmar, I can't find it either !  I'll ask Claus to
 [ "refresh my memory".  -- Robbie

Hmmm.  I wonder why... To have another octave isn't so important, for the
better solution would be to add a one octave brighter register.  And
incompatibility isn't very clever.  Well, if one finds some dummy who
buys such an organ (or someone, who isn't smart enough to ask the right
people beforehand), then one would have the monopoly in providing music,
but as we can see, Melvyn does provide this scale too, so this can't be a
reason, either.

By the way:  The minimum size to play a lot of music would be 12 notes,
which is one octave.  (Now, who is going to discuss this with me? :)))

>[ Wolfgang Brommer and Ingmar Krause -- Could you please tell us more
>[ about the compatibility of the music rolls for the small Drehorgel?
>[ What is the standard distance between the holes in the tracker bar?

What is a "small" Drehorgel?  :)  I guess you are talking about the 20/26
scales, for this was mentioned in the posting before.

What do you want to hear?  Some time ago I sent a list with all the
people providing music for the 20er-scale.  "The" 26er-scale (well, those
fitting with the 20er-scale) has been explained by Melvyn.  (err... well,
why do I say "those"?)

Now, Melvyn said that he and Ian did "invent" the 26er-scale upon the
20er Carl Frei scale, but I do know about another organ-builder who is
making a 26er-scale.  (Damn -- or was it a 28er-scale?!? ).  I'm talking
about Edi Hofmann.  Sorry to say, that I have no exact idea of his scale,
although I would have created the scale in the same way as Ian and Melvyn
did.  (Yes, I know which notes are missing!).


What is there to say about compatibility?  One can play the 20er-scale-
rolls on the 26er-scales... :|

There is also a 24-scale (well, this isn't really a scale, but on the
Konzert-Raffin, there are 4 more holes in the tracker bar.  Usable for
self-definable actions, mostly bell-figures or a conductor-figure.)
Let me tell you my thoughts about all these scales:

I'm a bit disappointed, that Mr. Raffin hasn't built such a 26-scale-
organ upon the 20er-scale, for I do miss the chromatic and -- with due
respect to the organ builders who do build these organs -- I would never
buy something else then 2X-er-scale organs by Mr. Raffin.  The reason:
I know about the quality!  All the other organs I've heard were either:

  too quiet
  badly tuned (I'm talking about the quality of the pipes now,
      not about the quality of the business the tuning-guy did)
  awful to look at
  with too little wind
  with too few registers

or combinations of these.

On the other hand, I'm proud to have such a difficult scale, for I can
prove that I can arrange even that music which was thought to be
impossible on it.   :)

There was the question about the reason for the space on the paper:
I have no idea, and I haven't been thinking about this the first years.

The first time where I had to say "Damn, that's right, why must there be
so much space up there", was as my father wondered about a roll, where
there has been holes punched in the upper part of the roll.  Of course,
we couldn't use them -- it was just one line for some conductor-figure.

To find an answer:  Well, the best method would have been to ask Mr. Carl
Frei. ... I never did it so far, but I'm going to ask Mr. Raffin the next
time when I meet him.

My guess: Carl Frei used the place/lines for percussion.  To be
compatible Raffin kept the space.

greetings by(e)
Ingmar Krause
ERlanger drehORGEL-Trio, Familie Krause, erorgelt@balloon.franken.de

P.S.: Off for the next days... why?...well... haven't I mentioned
Vienna?!? ;)

 [ How I wish I were with you guys!  Have a great time, all!  -- Robbie


 [ Ingmar Krause wrote in Digest 961101:
 [>
 [> In Digest 96.10.30 Robbie Rhodes wrote:
 [>
 [>> I have a 24-key music roll for the 20-key Jaeger & Brommer
 [>> Drehorgel tuned in B-flat (A#), with this scale:
 [>>
 [>> F,Bb,C,D,Eb,E,F,G,A,Bb,C,D,Eb,E,F,G,A,Bb,C,D,swell?,x,x,x
 [>
 [> This is
 [> (X,)F,A#,C,D,E#,F,G,A,A#,C,D,D#,E,F,G,A,A#,C,D,X,X,X,X(,X,X)
 [>
 [>> Is this note-scale and roll format the same in other makes
 [>> of small organs?  Is the music interchangeable?
 [>
 [> It's the note-scale originally provided by Carl Frei, used by
 [> J. Raffin, and then it became _the_ Standard-Note-Scale for
 [> Paper-roll-monkey-crank-organs.
 [>
 [> It's used as 20, 24, 26 and even as 28 note-scale.
 [>
 [> If you have a 20 note organ, you can play all these rolls,
 [> except those specially arranged for 26 or 28...
 [>
 [> Here are some people providing these rolls:
 [>
 [> Germany:
 [>
 [> Orgelbau J. Raffin, Abigstrasse 9, 7770 UEberlingen/Bodensee
 [> Edi Hoffmann, Denkingen-Muehlgarten 5, 88630 Pfullendorf
 [> Edgar Werner, Kissinger Str. 58, Nuedlingen/Ufr.
 [> Drehorgelbau Schlemmer, Dietensteig 14, 7460 Balingen-Frommen
 [> Orgelbau Goeckel, 69254 Malsch/Heidelberg
 [> Rudolf Klomfar, OEschleweg 12, 78655 Dunningen-Lackendorf
 [> Jaeger & Brommer, Am Gewerbekanal 5, 79183 Waldkirch
 [>
 [> France:
 [>
 [> Gerard Dabanot, "Le Turlutain", 104 Rue d'Alsace, F-54110 Sommerviller
 [>
 [> England:
 [>
 [> Ian Alderman, Old St James, Chedington, Beaminster, Dorset DT8 3HY
 [> Melvin Wright, 11 Edendale Road, Melton Mowbray, Leics. LE13 OEW
 [>
 [> There are many others, not everyone is making good music,
 [> and some simply copy the products of the others...




(Message sent Mon 1 Sep 1997, 06:05:35 GMT, from time zone GMT.)

Key Words in Subject:  20-Note, 26-Note, Organ, Roll, Scale

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