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Even More Paper Skidding
By John Grant

Hello John Rhodes (and list readers),

    I need to clear up a slight misconception about my theory on the design
goal(s) of the Ampico B variable play brake:

On Mon, 29 Jan 96 John Rhodes wrote in Automatic Music List Digest (96.01.28):

•>
> From: "John D. Rhodes" <jrhodes@mail.teleport.com>
> To: automatic-music@foxtail.com
> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:34:21 +0000
>
> Subject: Paper Skidding (continued)
>
> <Partial snip>
>
> With proper adjustment of the feed-spool brake (*reducing* hold-back
> torque as the roll is fed to maintain a constant web tension -- as
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> succinctly described by John Grant), the Ampico-B should be capable
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> of nearly flawless feeding of even large rolls.
>
>-- John Rhodes
>
•    Please note: I never said (and in fact do not believe) that the Ampico B
variable drag play brake was designed or intended to maintain CONSTANT
PAPER TENSION during the playing of a roll.  The tension in the paper
(what units of measurement would you use for this?) is clearly a very
complex "value" that depends on many variables including the friction of
the brake itself, the number of tracker bar holes open (or more importantly,
closed), the instantaneous strength of the vacuum appearing at the tracker
bar, the instantaneous ratio of the supply and takeup spool diameters, the
speed-torque characteristics of the roll drive motor, and the friction
characteristics of the paper's surface.  There may be others, such as
temperature, relative humidity, atmospheric pressure, and the amount of
change in your pocket, but their affects on the value are probably negligible.
The only one of these addressed by the variable drag brake is the spool
diameter ratio.  The rest of the "dynamic" factors cannot possibly be
compensated for in "real time" by a simple, slowly decreasing drag force
from the play brake.  I can envision our theoretical "web tension" meter
bouncing all over the place as the roll plays. A fully compensating drag
brake system would need, at the very least, a feedback loop from the stack
vacuum level in order to maintain constant paper tension.

    The absolute value of tension in the paper is not a problem UNLESS and
UNTIL the combined retarding forces on the paper exceed the slip-friction
value between the turns of paper on the takeup spool.  As soon as that
happens, the paper will "slip" until the tightening event INCREASES the
tension enough to overcome the combined retarding forces.  Intuitively
then, the problem would not occur if the retarding forces, a major component
of which is from the drag brake, had not risen high enough to cause it.

    How then to accomplish this?  Make sure there is high paper tension
at the beginning of the roll so that there is little or no "room" for
tightening between the takeup spool layers.  Then as the layers build up
and the danger of tightening becomes more probable, slowly REDUCE the
paper tension by decreasing the drag brake force.  Guess what?  This is
EXACTLY the way the system operates!  In an ordinary wind motor player
system this might lead to an increase in tempo due to lower retarding
forces, but the speed regulation is so damn good in the B motor I don't
think you could measure the effect.

    So my engineering "sense" is that the design goal was NOT to maintain
constant paper tension, it was to gradually REDUCE the paper tension
through out the playing of the roll in an effort to insure that at all
times the retarding forces were less than the value that would cause the
paper to slip.  If anyone can cite anything in the (vintage) technical
literature or in Dr. Hickman's writings that allude to "constant paper
tension", I would appreciate knowing about it.  Even then I would take the
position that the problem was perhaps not well understood but serendippedly
solved none-the-less.

-John Grant

"Every problem can be solved with the materials in the room."
 -Edwin H. Land, inventor of the Polaroid Land Camera

(Message sent Tue, 30 Jan 96 01:45:33 PST , from time zone -0800.)

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