There are several postings in the MMD archives about the Star perforator -- the answer to the Leabarjan perforator. Alas, I cannot find any photos of it, so am sending along some pictures of the machine I own. It was one hell of a way to make a player piano roll! Ed Gaida San Antonio, Texas -- Preserving music by punching holes in paper [ http://www.mmdigest.com/Attachments/17/10/14/171014_113132_star_2.jpg [ http://www.mmdigest.com/Attachments/17/10/14/171014_113132_star_6.jpg [ http://www.mmdigest.com/Attachments/17/10/14/171014_113132_star_3.jpg [ http://www.mmdigest.com/Attachments/17/10/14/171014_113132_star_7.jpg [ Paul Manganaro describes a Star perforator in his article at [ http://www.mmdigest.com/archives/Digests/200710/2007.10.30.06.html [ -- Robbie